How should I do this?

[deanl]

Hey there.

I have a scene where there are two guys talking in one room while a women is doing something else in another room. Now the rooms will either be above and below each other or side by side.

As the two guys are talking I want to track past them and go through the wall and into the next room as if its one move. We stay with her then movie back on the same "track" back through the wall and catch up with the guys again. I want to do this for the whole scene. Moving backwards and forwards.

Now if I had a set this would be quite simple I would have the two rooms built side by side with a fake wall in the middle and just lay dow a track and do it in one take riding in and out of each room.

But I dont have a set.

So what do you people suggest I do. My ideas so far are to film the guys doing there part tracking as close to the wall a possable then cutting. Then tracking back from the wall and back to the guys as many times as needs be. Then do the same for the girl in the other room.

Then in the edit do some kind uf cut and wipe with some kind of fake wall inserted inside the cut.

When we shoot its going to have to be timed to perfection to even have a chance of it working. What do you think.

Any better ideas?

Despin out.


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[Yukon23]

Do you know anyone with a through lounge* because it would be easy to do this shot. That's my two cents anyway.

*A through lounge is a lounge which has a wall knocked through but still has some part of the wall intact. Thus instead of having to go out of the lounge and into the other room. All the access to that room which is next to the lounge is through the lounge. Thus doing your shot would be easy as no cuts would be used.

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[deanl]

Hey there.

I guess that is one way of doing it but the guys are talking quite loud and the girl is meant to be rooting through things in the other room. I tink it would be to unbelievable that they wouldnt here each other.

I was alsothinking of doing the same thing but going to the room above rather than the room next to the lounge. But I think it would be easier to stay on one floor.

More ideas anyone.

P.S
I have some story boards for both versions of this scene if seeing them would help you to help me.

P.S
Whats the best way to write a link so that the uploaded picture shown and not the link. When ever I try and do it from Geocities it never works.

Despin out.


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[ThomasB]

2 Ideas. Not the best, but I did what I could

1) If you'd have the possibility to build a small fake 'wall' in both of the rooms you wouldn't have to insert them in post. Could be tricky to build up, but would save you time and energy in post.

2) If you can get access to an appartment that has a 'gallery' (meaning a second floor covering only half of the space of the original large room) you would be ready to shoot. (IMHO).

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[sn-films]

Have you looked into achieving the shot in post-production? Programs like Media Studio Pro let you "slide" clips across the screen. We had the camera lashed down to a chair that had wheels on it. We slid the the chair across the room till it hit the wall. Then we filmed the next scene with the chair continuing the camera movement. In post, we slid the two clips across the screen, and inserted a cross-section of a wall in betwen the two clips.

Ever see the movie "Bound"? We were trying to rip off some of the shots from that movie.

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[Dirty Cricket]

Well just find a larg room that you could devide in two. And then track the camera between the two people. You may have to put like some plywood to make a wall, but then in post, add like a wall cross section thing. Although that may look kind of cheesey. But i do like the idea of tracking the camera to the wall and then cutting to the other room. And stop the camera at the wall, slide the clip and slide in the other clip and then track to the girl. And you could add a whoose sound effect as you slide to give that moving feeling.

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[Red House Painter]

we are always building partitions at art college for different things. Just ask someone in a hardware shop, they will be able to tell you how. The through lounge is a good idea. just treat it as two seperate rooms and paint the cross section of the wall black so it looks like the 'inside' of the wall.

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[twister!]

I'd say keep it simple. Your idea about moving to the wall and cutting is perfect - I wouldn't bother trying to edit in some fake wall to join the two shots - it's just adding a level of fussiness which isn't necessary. Cut to black between shots if necessary - simpler and more stylish IMO.

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[the big lebowski]

How about if you track across from the first room to something close to the lens, like a wardrobe so your shot goes black, then start your next shot from somthing else that is solid and black and track across to the next room/conversation. And vice versa, then edit from the solid black shot.
or somthing.

The Dude

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[deanl]

Hey there.

Thanks for the ideas guys. I wanted to show the cross section of the wall because I wanted it to show that this girl was right next door to them. Or right above them. I dont think I have the skills to make a realistic looking fake wall in my mates house but I do think I could do a good job in post. I think the hardest part will be making the two shots with the edit in the middle look like one long dolly. Keeping it at the same speed is going to be tricky. I have put allot of my storyboards in premier and added sound effects and some movement so I know what it should look like. Anyway thanks for the tips and ideas but I think its gonna have to be all done in post.

P.S
Have any of you guys ever done any simple animated storyboards in a 3d program. I think its a good idea to show the other guys helping to make the movie what you want to do.

But its to tempting when you have a totaly free camera to paly with.

Despin out.

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